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You can sort of try out Chives now – but should you?

Posted on by Chris Dupres

Edit: A lot has happened with Chives since this was published. Check out this and this for more up to date information.

The ChivesCoin client is buildable from GitHub, and an intrepid user Zhaelthas from the Chia Fork Farmers discord has built it in Ubuntu and been sharing some data and screenshots about the project. Right now it looks fairly similar to Chia and the other coins, but there are a few major differences. To be clear, I do not recommend doing this. I don’t have evidence that this is a malicious project, but my gut is telling me its not entirely on the up and up, especially since they launched with some names and faces on their website and took them down when we (and probably others) noticed they were using stock photos.

The first unique part to this fork is their plan to pay out the Timelords as a hybrid proof-of-stake model. This might be interesting, but I’m not a huge fan of proof-of-stake to begin with and we havent seen this hybrid model in action yet. So I am skeptical.

The second, and most pertinent to my readers here, is that you will need to replot in order to farm ChivesCoin. I think this means the project is basically dead on arrival, as the only thing that has made Flax and other coins blow up in netspace so rapidly is that you can farm existing Chia plots at no additional cost, as well as use the vast library of Chia plotting tools like Mad Max to plot for them. The opportunity cost of plotting for an altcoin with no appreciable value is high.

Right now you cannot build on Windows, and I am told it only worked on Ubuntu 20.04 and wouldn’t build on Ubuntu 18.04. It also appears they will farm out 10% on top of the proof-of-stake portion as a “community fund” under their control. This feels like a pre-farm with no limit. As of now I will be recommending you avoid Chives. When I can build it on Windows and run it on my test farm I will have more information. Right now it doesn’t even look like their introducer is up and they haven’t “publicly” launched, even though their mainnet exists.

10 thoughts on “You can sort of try out Chives now – but should you?”

  1. Actually the requirement to use non-standard public-keys derived from existing private-keys is sort of a ‘lock-in’ which is quite smart in a niche point of view, say lots of ppl jump on to this coin and make plots, then either they destroy the plots when they get bored, or they just stuck around like suckers forever.

    This all begs the real question of ‘re-plotting’, I don’t see anybody doing this I have been on HPOOL 4+ months, they’re going to support the new, but nobody is going to re-plot, for what? It’s not like any kind of gain.

    The argument that chives has for the algo mod for public-keys ( plots are tied to public key magic numbers ) is that his variation is “MORE SECURE” like who cares about security, all are just trying to mine XCH while its still above zero.

    I know the OP here a security guy, who knows that there is NOTHING secure about CHIA, its built on open theft, anybody who wants to rip people off, its a paradise here in CHIA; If the chives guy was really honest, he wouldn’t even be using ‘chia’ to begin with, as it will never be ‘secure’.

    Lastly, I don’t think that chives is going to release any code, I think he’s stuck and over his head.

    But will report soon actual status, should be interesting to see if this clone takes a path of reality, I mean sometimes pigs do really fly.

    WRT to the plots non-compatible problem, its the same as the new chia-plots

    Farmer public key (m/12381/9444/0/0) // chia porn ( new portable )

    Farmer public key (m/12381/8444/0/0 // chia classic

    12381 is an elliptic curve for generating the public key from private, teh 94444 is a seed, note that the classic & porn have a different seed, this essentially means that for a priv-key ( or mneumonic ) that you generate an entire differnent public key, which means a set of plots with different names;

    Now it is possible to ‘hack’ the code, so that it accepts the classic plots, just like it will possible to do the same with chia in their new porn plots.

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  2. Note above the CHIVES is using this new priv->public map Farmer public key (m/12381/9444/0/0)

    Which means by default u can’t use your existing plots, now there are tricks that you can use the old sig curve validation form to generate a working sig,

    Well the ‘moron’ still has a ‘issues’ turned off so u can’t communicate with him, … go figure how he’s going to fix this thing

    He seems to think that 9444 is ok here, but the reality is the all the other clones like flax, & chaingreen use 8444 so that they’re compaible with existing plots, I don’t think he did this intentionally, I think he really think it means ‘port’, but if He went to the BLS doc he could see it doesn’t, the fact that this misunderstanding is carried over in the chia source, well its an unique id, but the other clone ppl were smart enough to realize if u changed it then you couldn’t use existing plots; again I this things smells;

    New plots are required and

    address1 = “txcc15gx26ndmacfaqlq8m0yajeggzceu7cvmaz4df0hahkukes695rss6lej7h” # Gene wallet (m/12381/9444/2/42):
    address2 = “txcc1c2cguswhvmdyz9hr3q6hak2h6p9dw4rz82g4707k2xy2sarv705qcce4pn” # Mariano address (m/12381/9444/2/0)

    Like does this mean our GENE as in GENE HOFFMAN? Like is he the real daddy of chives? Who is mariano?

    yep, it looks like a scam, or I should say a horse of a different color

    So it has begun this entire drive to RE-PLOT, and u don’t even know if these plots will be compatible with CHIA-PORN ( CHIA-NEW ), so its almost like the HDD manufacturers are just FUD creating more reasons to burn-up NVME drives to make new plots over&over;

    I sure as hell ain’t making any more new plots,

    I will modify the chives to source to make it accept the chia-classic plots;

    Again this could be an attempt by Gene to get people to just get burnt out on plotting or disgusted with clones in general, I think the pre-mine going to gene is a twofer, if it fails he wins, and if it succeeds he wins 🙂

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  3. Ok, here’s the final report; I’m getting about 800 an hour, the current chain is at 539, and very sticky, it halted at 500,
    About every hour I rerun the home peers, seems like most of the nodes are non-functional, so must go back to base

    My theory worked, I hacked the chivers software to accept the old chia plots 🙂 Of course this wasn’t easy, but I had known last week that this pig wasn’t going to support ‘existing plots’

    [ This is very complicated because first u must run the current to generate the new addresses with the old mneuomonic, then save those addresses and public keys, because even though you can get PAID for the old plots u must use the new form ‘9444’ for payment address; I already had this stuff from playing last time. ]

    On more thinking about why the pre-mine is given to gene&mariano, it could be a gester as u might remember a few weeks ago SHIBU coin gave Vitalik some $5 Billion USD worth of SHIBU which he donated to India, perhaps this clone person, is doing the same thing, e.g. a hat tip courtesy to mother-chia ???

    Last time I played with chives they hadn’t added the node-peers, now they have; https://github.com/HiveProject2021/chives-blockchain/releases/tag/1.1.7.2

    Given the hick-ups this thing reminds me of chain-green which constantly stalls, it stalled at 500, then 532, then 539, gets in sync, loses sync, or of just like chia-mainnet a few months ago.

    …

    Just so U know, I running this in a LINUX sandbox ( docker ) but of course windows would work, I’m using my own path for the “MAINNET”, I don’t want anything stomping my ~/ path; I already had this stuff all setup, as I had to do it for FLAX a few days ago, as the database kept getting hosed, when chaingreen & flax were running at same time; I have quit chaingreen as its been stuck now for 3 days at 450000, which is interesting as the height of flax is only 100,000, but flax pay’s out ‘2’, and chain-green pays out 1,000+, I have no idea what the hell ‘chiver jeeves’ is doing, but I’m seeing 800/hour, well its only 127TB, and I’m running 50TB ; a mothers go to know?

    …

    If I really wanted to I could do a github push, and send working code up to chives, but honestly the guy doesn’t have issues enabled, he obviously doesn’t want to have feedback, .. up to them 🙁

    Not unlike CHIA-NET honestly, Gene bans anybody on their github who tells the truth.

    I’m glad u have anonymous turned on, I know your fair&balanced, I have nothing in this game, got involved with HDD mining years ago, and since GPU’s are no longer available I now buy HDD’s; just to stay in the game, otherwise I would stall and just be cleaning my ETH mining rigs 🙁

    I’m glad there are clones, I was saying this was coming months ago, because CHIA-NET was un-responsive to reality, now we just have to hope that one of these clones decides to run a grown-up operation.

    Gene&Family are LONG on Marketing, and short on everything else; Chive’s guy say’s he’s a real programmer, we’ll just have to wait & see. Given that he’s not opened his ‘issues’ he may not be the type open to feedback, or open-source.

    His code is essentially “FLAX” same old chia-net pre main-net, it works, but missing lots of new features; that are essential for real world wallet GUI’s to operate in the future.

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  4. Will post on your discord, u just tell me what u want to know. Right now at 135TB u can earn a ton of this coin, for instance when poor-investor called out ‘goji’ it was already 273PB, now 290PB, anything above 100PB is impossible to solo if u don’t have 10k plots.

    As of right now Chives is still at 135TB, which means u only need 13.5TB, or 135 plots to win a lot. This isn’t going to last long.

    I would not worry about much, u both only have 31 viewers on your discord. It’s not like anybody is going to eavesdrop, and as you know, as good as your site is, I don’t think anything anybody reads these comments ( Well except Hoffman & his tools, I mean fools )

    All these clones are the same, if you don’t come in early at less than 100TB you will never hit the jackpot. Of course 100PB is way to late, but 200TB is ok, and maybe even 500TB.

    Lastly, I have already explained above the changes required to make these new clones accept chia-classic plots, if you don’t understand my explanation, then find a competent programmer with a PHD in math/cryptography.

    What seems to be keeping this coin from taking off is that people are still having to plot from scratch, none of them know about the ‘back-door’

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    1. hi, i have been reading into all of this and starting to get into farming a little. You definitely have the right idea of getting around having to plot more. I would like to be able to import my plots and hopefully draw some fun. is there any way you could get me the information you used to have your chia plots work. Thank you very much

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