Menu
The Chia Plot
  • Blog
  • How-To
  • About
  • Contact
  • Security
  • Discord
The Chia Plot

All about pools – Foxypool, playing both angles

Posted on July 1, 2021July 1, 2021 by Chris Dupres

Like Flexpool, Foxypool is an established cryptocurrency pool that decided to get into Chia pooling for reasons we will expand below. Unlike Flexpool they are focused entirely on storage based coins from what I can tell. Also uniquely they are already running a pool with their own custom code, as well as launching an on-chain ntf-based pool. They also have recently launched a Flax pool, which shows just how innovative they can be. This is fascinating to me, and gives them a unique perspective on the entire pool ecosystem.

The FoxyPool developer I spoke to is a fan of Chia and was solo farming 500TB on his own when the netspace growth started to get away from him. He saw the need personally for pools to come right away, as well as the angst in the community. So they started looking into it, saw the progress and knew that there was a market in competing with Hpool and Core-Pool using more rigorous rules to keep the stealing in check,

Thus their Chia-OG pool was born, their off-chain pooling protocol for farming with existing plots. This is similar to how Hpool and Core-Pool work except with a few significant twists. First, their software is mostly the chia-blockchain software with some slight modifications to the farmer only. Second, those modifications are mostly taken from the work the chia dev team was doing on the official pooling protocol at the time. They are using partial proofs, very low difficulty proofs, to prove farm size which is the same mechanism as the on chain protocol. This would mostly, or completely, solve the problem of fake farm sizes. And they are using a collateral system of one block reward to sort of prevent double farming, or at least mitigate the damage from it. They also let the farmer keep the 0.25XHC portion of the reward, like the on chain protocol. This seems like a good system to me, but as Foxypool says it can be frustrating for small farmers.

Because they were considering an on-chain pool before even launching the OG pool it was a no-brainer to continue with those plans. The process will be a lot smoother with instant payouts and done all through the official client – but like the other on chain pools you will need to replot. According to Foxypool this will swing the benefit back to the smaller farmers who will take longer to hit 1.75XCH on the OG pool, but have a lot less sunk cost in their original plots when switching to portable ones.

Like the other pools I have spoken to, they say the Chia team has been extremely hands off other than providing support, and that they are not trying to exert any control over the pools. They also say they haven’t had any legal challenges and don’t anticipate any. Because this is so region-specific I can’t know if they are correct, but I hope they are. And they are already running a handful of pools so it seems likely they have already passed that particular hurdle.

The biggest thing that I can take away from talking to Foxypool, the only folks that I know of so far with actual experience with both kinds of pool, is that the trustless model for the on chain pool is far superior. They will continue to run the OG pool as-is with the collateral system as long as there are farmers on their original plots and they expect a lot of their members will run in hybrid mode for a long time. But going forward they see the advantages offered by Chia Network’s protocol as insurmountable by the custom pools.

They seem competent and ready for the real launch on mainnet. I’m curious to see after a couple of weeks if they have data on how many of their OG members switch completely over to the new pool. They do think anyone interested should stop by their discord and asked me to share it.

Related

4 thoughts on “All about pools – Foxypool, playing both angles”

  1. flaxy-miner says:
    July 2, 2021 at 1:42 am

    Just a thought, but u ought to go read the foxy-pool-miner for flax/chia-og discord site, and see for yourself the complaints, and how they’re ignored and dissed by a few bots. No attempt is being made to address the problems

    I can see why, they have about 1% of the space, these guys know what they’re doing, they have supported burst&bhd for years. This is where it ends.

    Take the flax foxy-miner; You can run for 3 days only get paid for 10% of your TB, why is this? They just deny, but every single commenter is complaining. Funny because burst&bhd its instant, start the miner, go to the site and your full HDD is mining, but not with chia/flax clones;

    Also their chia miner isn’t really working, and most flax miners are still choosing to do ‘solo’, right now this is the only flax pool in town, but given it only pays out 10%, your odd’s are then in favor of staying solo.

    like I said go to the foxy-miner flax/chia discord and read the comments for yourself, talking to the owners and reporting their good storys I guess is probably how you grow a sucessful biz, … but its not how you get your feet grounded in reality

    It’s still same-same 90% of ALL CHIA is on HPOOL, they’re getting all the XCh, and whales will never leave

    …

    The other PROBLEM, and I think this is why WHALES stay on HPOOL, is simply that it pays out MORE; foxy-miner publishes their payout per day per PB, and its much lower than I earn on HPOOL;

    The problem is FUD rules all in HDD crypto;

    SO HPOOL pay’s out the most, and consistent with no pyscho games, for instance both core&foxy-miner use the NICE-HASH model or payment, which is u never get paid, everytime u get near to a new threshold u are given a new, and insult to injury foxy-miner requires to to formally quit to get paid out post threshold, so then if u want to go back, u must start all over … seesh

    Reply
    1. Chris Dupres says:
      July 2, 2021 at 5:46 am

      hey I didnt see any of that when I was looking into my piece, and I did visit their discord and talk to some people. Can you send me some examples? [email protected]

      Reply
    2. Rob G S says:
      July 2, 2021 at 9:59 am

      Somewhat misleading

      There are a few things, the chia miner works fine, once you get it setup, many seem to struggle with this.
      I did, for some reason it didnt connect despite installing correctly, 3rd attempt it worked, no idea why.

      After switching from Hpool to Foxy I am getting a higher share despite also taking offline due to a big dodgy disk (around 10% of my plots)

      I saw reduced EC yesterday hence me finding an issue with the above disk, and whats important is clearly having good response time since that disc raised my response time significantly (always went over % seconds if that disc won a partial), and as such my EC dropped, disconnecting the drive it started to go back up even with lower effective plots being used.

      So clearly sending the partials nice and quickly will affect the EC the pool sees.

      My consistent payout on hpool was 0.024 per day the last week I was there, a few days on foxy sees around 0.026 including the reduced capacity so would probably be 0.028/9 comparable to what I was using plotwise on Hpool.

      The other factor is sharing the 1.75XCH on Foxy will of course show lower returns than sharing 2xch on Hpool assuming no wins and perfect win rates etc on both. With Foxy you will get the odd 0.25 XCH as well directly to your wallet depending on your total netspace and luck.

      I cant see how Hpool will ever beat foxy unless Hpool deal with their cheaters double mining, or you dont ensure you set Foxy up correctly.

      Reply
  2. Wagi says:
    July 18, 2021 at 7:36 am

    I have been using Foxypool-OG for Flax and Chia.
    They look like the same but they are not.
    The expected return from the flax blockchain is never achieved, and I tend to receive a lower income than expected. Anyways, lately it started to be more accurate. On the other hand, since I’m on the flax pool I have only won 1 block, but earned around 4-5 xfx, so it still giveme a positive reward.
    The chia-og pool works way better. I was on Hpool and I’m getting 20% more than in Hpool. Taking into consideration that foxy shares 7/8 of the reward and hpool 8/8, it shows how big is the cheating issue in hpool.
    I can also say that the discord support is quite bad.
    Great Blog Chris! Keep it up!

    Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

Advertisement

Recent Posts

  • Twitter TMA Thursday at 3pm EST – Tell Me Anything
  • Going through some things – an update
  • Chia introduces new dashboard site
  • Does Chia test enough on Windows?
  • Chia blockchain 1.3.3 released – OpenSSL fix didn’t work on Windows
  • Discussion
  • Facts About Farmers
  • How-To
  • Information
  • News
  • pools
  • Security
  • Trademark
  • Trading
  • Uncategorized

Dark Mode Switch

©2021 The Chia Plot - Donate XCH / MRMT / SBX @ xch1p4440d6zwu9ryta2vx073lq2ge3s29d37kskz6t34jp085e8srjqnk0gcr
We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. By clicking “Accept All”, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. However, you may visit "Cookie Settings" to provide a controlled consent.
Cookie SettingsAccept All
Manage consent

Privacy Overview

This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. You also have the option to opt-out of these cookies. But opting out of some of these cookies may affect your browsing experience.
Necessary
Always Enabled
Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. These cookies ensure basic functionalities and security features of the website, anonymously.
CookieDurationDescription
cookielawinfo-checkbox-advertisement1 yearThe cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Advertisement".
cookielawinfo-checkbox-analytics11 monthsThis cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Analytics".
cookielawinfo-checkbox-functional11 monthsThe cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional".
cookielawinfo-checkbox-necessary11 monthsThis cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The cookies is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Necessary".
cookielawinfo-checkbox-others11 monthsThis cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other.
cookielawinfo-checkbox-performance11 monthsThis cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance".
JSESSIONIDsessionUsed by sites written in JSP. General purpose platform session cookies that are used to maintain users' state across page requests.
viewed_cookie_policy11 monthsThe cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. It does not store any personal data.
Functional
Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features.
CookieDurationDescription
na_id1 year 1 monthThis cookie is set by Addthis.com to enable sharing of links on social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter
na_rn1 monthThis cookie is used to recognize the visitor upon re-entry. This cookie allows to collect information on user behaviour and allows sharing function provided by Addthis.com
na_sc_e1 monthThis cookie is used to recognize the visitor upon re-entry. This cookie allows to collect information on user behaviour and allows sharing function provided by Addthis.com
na_sr1 monthThis cookie is set by Addthis.com. This cookie is used for sharing of links on social media platforms.
na_srp1 minuteThis cookie is used to recognize the visitor upon re-entry. This cookie allows to collect information on user behaviour and allows sharing function provided by Addthis.com
na_tc1 year 1 monthThis cookie is set by the provider Addthis. This cookie is used for social media sharing tracking service.
ouid1 year 1 monthThe cookie is set by Addthis which enables the content of the website to be shared across different networking and social sharing websites.
Performance
Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors.
CookieDurationDescription
d3 monthsThis cookie tracks anonymous information on how visitors use the website.
Analytics
Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. These cookies help provide information on metrics the number of visitors, bounce rate, traffic source, etc.
CookieDurationDescription
__gads1 year 24 daysThis cookie is set by Google and stored under the name dounleclick.com. This cookie is used to track how many times users see a particular advert which helps in measuring the success of the campaign and calculate the revenue generated by the campaign. These cookies can only be read from the domain that it is set on so it will not track any data while browsing through another sites.
_ga2 yearsThis cookie is installed by Google Analytics. The cookie is used to calculate visitor, session, campaign data and keep track of site usage for the site's analytics report. The cookies store information anonymously and assign a randomly generated number to identify unique visitors.
_gat_gtag_UA_199099757_11 minuteThis cookie is set by Google and is used to distinguish users.
_gid1 dayThis cookie is installed by Google Analytics. The cookie is used to store information of how visitors use a website and helps in creating an analytics report of how the website is doing. The data collected including the number visitors, the source where they have come from, and the pages visted in an anonymous form.
CONSENT16 years 4 months 5 daysThese cookies are set via embedded youtube-videos. They register anonymous statistical data on for example how many times the video is displayed and what settings are used for playback.No sensitive data is collected unless you log in to your google account, in that case your choices are linked with your account, for example if you click “like” on a video.
Advertisement
Advertisement cookies are used to provide visitors with relevant ads and marketing campaigns. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads.
CookieDurationDescription
advanced_ads_browser_width1 monthThis cookie is set by Advanced ads plugin.This cookie is used to measure and store the user browser width for adverts.
anj3 monthsNo description available.
CMID1 yearThe cookie is set by CasaleMedia. The cookie is used to collect information about the usage behavior for targeted advertising.
CMPRO3 monthsThis cookie is set by Casalemedia and is used for targeted advertisement purposes.
CMPS3 monthsThis cookie is set by Casalemedia and is used for targeted advertisement purposes.
CMRUM31 yearThis cookie is set by Casalemedia and is used for targeted advertisement purposes.
CMST1 dayThe cookie is set by CasaleMedia. The cookie is used to collect information about the usage behavior for targeted advertising.
DSID1 hourThis cookie is setup by doubleclick.net. This cookie is used by Google to make advertising more engaging to users and are stored under doubleclick.net. It contains an encrypted unique ID.
i1 yearThe purpose of the cookie is not known yet.
IDE1 year 24 daysUsed by Google DoubleClick and stores information about how the user uses the website and any other advertisement before visiting the website. This is used to present users with ads that are relevant to them according to the user profile.
KADUSERCOOKIE3 monthsThe cookie is set by pubmatic.com for identifying the visitors' website or device from which they visit PubMatic's partners' website.
KTPCACOOKIE1 dayThis cookie is set by pubmatic.com for the purpose of checking if third-party cookies are enabled on the user's website.
mc1 year 1 monthThis cookie is associated with Quantserve to track anonymously how a user interact with the website.
test_cookie15 minutesThis cookie is set by doubleclick.net. The purpose of the cookie is to determine if the user's browser supports cookies.
uid1 year 1 monthThis cookie is used to measure the number and behavior of the visitors to the website anonymously. The data includes the number of visits, average duration of the visit on the website, pages visited, etc. for the purpose of better understanding user preferences for targeted advertisments.
uuid3 monthsTo optimize ad relevance by collecting visitor data from multiple websites such as what pages have been loaded.
uuid23 monthsThis cookies is set by AppNexus. The cookies stores information that helps in distinguishing between devices and browsers. This information us used to select advertisements served by the platform and assess the performance of the advertisement and attribute payment for those advertisements.
VISITOR_INFO1_LIVE5 months 27 daysThis cookie is set by Youtube. Used to track the information of the embedded YouTube videos on a website.
YSCsessionThis cookies is set by Youtube and is used to track the views of embedded videos.
yt-remote-connected-devicesneverThese cookies are set via embedded youtube-videos.
yt-remote-device-idneverThese cookies are set via embedded youtube-videos.
Others
Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet.
CookieDurationDescription
__gpi1 year 24 daysNo description
adImpCountpastNo description
C3UID5 yearsNo description available.
C3UID-9245 yearsNo description
fc5 months 27 daysNo description available.
pfpastNo description
pxs5 months 27 daysNo description available.
SAVE & ACCEPT
Powered by CookieYes Logo