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Does Chia have a Solana problem?

Posted on September 15, 2021September 15, 2021 by Chris Dupres

Yesterday the mostly-centralized cryptocurrency Solana suffered a DDOS attack with too many transactions and their validator network got stuck. From my understanding it caused some nodes to miss some transactions and ended up created multiple competing blockchains. You can read about it here. As of right now the network is back up, and the price doesn’t seem too affected, but I suspect this incident will have long term ramifications on Solana achieving widescale trust.

So does Chia share this risk? Sort of, but not really. This kind of issue could cause some annoyances, and maybe even transaction fees on Chia. Maybe even some of the farmers would have issues, but it wouldn’t create the same issue we saw yesterday on Solana. Solana uses really high powered servers as proof of stake validators with a large mempool so they can process transactions extremely quickly. It seemed that some of the validators with the 128GB minimum RAM couldn’t take the high transaction volume from the DDOS that they were missing transactions. It seems like 400 000 were submitted extremely rapidly, and even though Solana can handle 50 000 transactions per second, supposedly, it couldn’t handle that.

From what I understand Chia is not designed to settle transactions as fast as possible like Solana; it is designed to work like Ethereum and Bitcoin and hold transactions until they are settled. If you tried to shove 400 000 transactions into the blockchain it might take you all day to clear through them but it won’t Balkanize the blockchain requiring a restart.

When the Bluebox timelords caused memory issues and a partial DDOS of the network it definitely affected some farmers with low specs or too many connections. But the network was fine. There was only one blockchain. Some people fell behind, and that affected their ability to farm but they didn’t start creating their own version of the blockchain.

I don’t know if this a problem with Solana specifically, and I suspect it might be, or with current proof of stake systems in general, but this class of issue – from problem to coordinated solution – are the result of trying to centralize and accelerate a blockchain to the point where it isn’t the best solution. A high performance non relational database cluster would do far better for what Solana is trying to do. And why Chia’s coin model might not seem fast when compared side to side, but doesn’t create issues like we saw yesterday in Solana. From my understanding as of yesterday if you shove 400,000 transactions into Solana and Chia at the same time, at 50,000 transactions per second to 20, Chia will settle them first. That’s why design matters.

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4 thoughts on “Does Chia have a Solana problem?”

  1. Mike says:
    September 16, 2021 at 9:57 am

    Chia could suffer from the same sort of bug as Solana, preventing transactions from being created and distributed: it isn’t a centralized-vs-decentralized thing. In fact that’s the reason for the emergency Chia 1.1.5 release: because a bug in handling negative values caused the block height to stall for hours for most people running Chia nodes.

    So a bug blocking transactions has happened to Chia. It may happen again: bugs are unpredictable that way 🙂

    Issues like that, early in a projects life (like Chia, and Solana), don’t affect coin price in anything but the shortest of terms. And this issue with Solana doesn’t say anything about the overall approach of either project. We’re all in this together: trying to expand the reach of crypto in different directions.

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  2. Andrew says:
    September 19, 2021 at 7:33 am

    The bug is one thing, but the big second thing is that the devs of sol could STOP the Blockchain to address the bug for 17 hours in a centralized way.
    The question is : could chia network shutdown the chia Blockchain in the same way ? I am afraid the answer could be yes since the challenges are not decentralized…
    For a Blockchain to be really decentralized all nodes should participate in building the Block challenges in a inviolable cryptographic way.

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    1. Chris Dupres says:
      September 19, 2021 at 7:39 am

      I dont think Chia could because there are other Timelords. But I dont actually know for sure. I will ask next time I talk to them.

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      1. Andrew says:
        September 19, 2021 at 7:41 am

        Thanks. I am eager to know what they gonna say 👍

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